Wednesday, September 9, 2020
Covid Chronicles A Special Episode
Now we know that Covid is a highly transmissible disease between measles and flu with about a 1:3 spread. So it is close contact with an infected person who may be asymptomatic for up to 3 days, 4 days, 10 days, 14 days or some days. But since they are asymptomatic and they never have any outward signs of the virus how the fuck do we know that they are sick and for how long and in turn how long are they capable of transmitting the virus during that time frame. The entire time it runs through the body and again who knows as they would have to give Covid to a person in a lab setting, quarantine them, test them every day for viral loads to see how they decrease over time and when the virus is finally out of the system and they ultimately test negative and in turn possess antibodies and test that daily to see how long they remain in the system. Where is that test? Are the Tuskegee Airman available? (Look that one up)
The only way to actually do that is contact testing and tracing. You had a friend who went to a wedding, Burning Man, a Biker rally, a Trump rally, a rave or just somewhere where they had "contact" with that individual who did. How long were you in the same place, how close and when did it happen? From that they regardless of your reporting on health you are tested. They test you, you are pos, then you go into quarantine and they test you every day, not just once a week or in two weeks, every day to see viral load and monitor your health. Then at the end of the quarantine or when you are tested negative then the antibody test and during that time they watch you for any spikes in temp, blood pressure and all the rest of the 'signs'. This covid theater shit where we wash our hands when we go to the hair salon and have our temp taken to sit at the pool is the most bizarre bullshit ever but okay then. What am I too stupid to come to a store and know how to care for myself and monitor my own health? I guess not. So again if you are asymptomatic and yet still carrying viral loads how would you know? You would not have a temp and having a higher than normal temp doesn't mean you have Covid fuckwits.
The goal posts endlessly moves, I rarely listen to Dr. Igor or his bride as they have contradicted themselves, backtracked and rarely done anything more than repeat AIDS rhetoric which I so recall all to well. They just add paranoia to it now. It is working out well. And of course the CDC has changed guidelines so frequently I don't think anyone knows what they are saying, same with WHO and now Big Pharma is actually trying to work together to stave off misinformation. The bullshit out there with the nutfuck theories is surreal and making things worse for finding a protocol of caring and treating patients. I remember the whole histrionics about ventilators.. well that was some kind of bullshit and it led to killing more people. And no we will never get an accurate count of Covid patients let alone dead due to Covid. Another massive failure and fuckup.
So I treat this like Whooping Cough, that is 1:4 so use that as the measure for contacts. Four people in a room, one of you fuckers are the carrier. Think about it.
How long should you isolate if you test positive for the coronavirus? At least 10 days after symptom onset
New studies about infectivity have shed light on when people can spread the virus
By Ariana Eunjung Cha
July 21, 2020
The Washington Post
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s self-isolation rules have been a facet of pandemic life since March.
Those who test positive for the coronavirus but who do not have symptoms have counted down the minutes until they could be free to venture out, while the sick have worried about how long they could be a danger to their loved ones.
Now the CDC, acknowledging expanded understanding about the infectiousness of the novel coronavirus, has changed some of its recommendations.
The CDC had previously recommended people who test positive isolate until they had two negative swabs for the coronavirus — but that turned out to be impractical given the shortage of tests. It now advises most people with active cases of covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, to isolate for 10 days after symptoms begin and 24 hours after their fever has broken. After that, they are free to leave isolation.
For those who have a positive test but are asymptomatic, the public health agency as of Friday recommended isolating 10 days from the testing date.
In the six months since the virus has been in the United States, multiple studies have suggested most people are infectious for only a short period, usually four to nine days. In one large contact-tracing study of high-risk interactions in hospitals and homes, exposures of people to the virus took place within five days of a patient’s illness.
The CDC noted that a “limited number of persons with severe illness” may continue to produce the virus longer and may warrant extending the isolation period to as much as 20 days.
As with other guidelines about the coronavirus, much remains in flux, and differing opinions exist in different parts of the world about how long people should isolate or quarantine.
Isolation rules are for people who test positive, while the term “quarantine” is generally used for people who have been in contact with an infected person but do not have confirmed infections. The CDC continues to recommend a 14-day quarantine period.
Switzerland requires people to isolate for 10 days, but some have argued that is still too long. In Taiwan, travelers from low-risk countries such as New Zealand, South Korea and Vietnam must quarantine in a hotel for just seven days. Visitors from higher-risk countries are still subject to a 14-day rule.
The World Health Organization updated its guidance in June to recommend 10 days of isolation for those who do not have symptoms and at least 13 days for people with symptoms.
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Julian Tang, a virologist with the University of Leicester in the United Kingdom and the National University of Singapore, said he has been advising clinical teams for several months that patients can be released from isolation at 10 days. He said papers examining when people are capable of spreading the virus have been remarkably consistent about the time frame for potential transmission.
In a paper in Nature, researchers found that the virus starts to be neutralized by antibodies that appear on the fifth day of an infection and that by the eighth or ninth day, no live virus was detected. A study on nasal swabs and viral load published as a letter in the New England Journal of Medicine found that the amount of virus seems to drop off almost from the first day of symptoms.
“You’re not going to reach absolute zero risk,” Tang said, “but the studies have shown viral shedding mostly stops after 10 days.”
The CDC expressed similar sentiments in its recommendations, which contain the caveat that they are based on the best available information and “reflect the realities of an evolving pandemic.”
“Even for pathogens for which many years of data are available,” the CDC stated, “it may not be possible to establish recommendations that ensure 100 percent of persons who are shedding replication-competent virus remain isolated.”